Hello again. Thank you for your response on the Pound quote question. Here is a thought: If one takes the soul's sensation of ascent to mean something like the experience of the sublime, one might say that such experiences can, for example, also be found in very good conversations or in the contemplation of non-intentional things (landscapes,cities,stars...). And then one might say that such experiences can (at least sometimes) be communicated by talking about them. Does that make sense to you?
Pound didn’t claim (nor did I mean to) that the sensation of the soul in ascent could only be experienced through art, but rather that art is how such an experience can be passed on from one person to another. So, there may be infinite ways to get the feeling directly and on your own, but to pass it on to someone unfamiliar with the sensation requires a transcendent intermediary. Before I address the rest of your question, consider this (somewhat convoluted) metaphor:
Imagine Pound is a scientist, and he’s talking about physical evolution rather than spiritual evolution (although he’d probably insist those are simply different bands of the same spectrum: Evolution). He claims to have discovered that all humans are born with dormant genetic code for a new mutation, say, one that enables us to breathe underwater. This would solve a ton of problems for humanity, so it’s super important that everyone activate this gene.
The problem is, no one can just explain the situation and induce the desired genetic expression; it only happens when each brain is individually stimulated in such a way that it produces the necessary chemical environment for the process. To do this, Dr. Pound prescribes not reading up on brain chemistry nor discussing it with those who’ve already successfully mutated, but exposing oneself to sensory input that stimulates the needed chemical cocktail in the brain. Once the gene has been activated, the individual is not constantly breathing underwater, but she forever afterward has that capability. She is, however, no more useful to activating the gene in someone else than she was before — only the sensory prescription can do that — except she can now recreate and share the recipe of sensory stimuli that worked for her.
New mutation = epiphany
Talking about mutation = talking about enlightenment
Breathing underwater = a skill that can be exercised at will but isn’t always in use, much like the ability to enter a state of enlightened bliss
Sensory stimuli = art
So yes of course, contemplation of nature, civilization, and the cosmos is not only a possible route to enlightenment, it is actually much more likely to get you there than contemplating a work of art because those things are the reality of the truth revealed, rather than a representation of it. (Art’s usefulness is not in presenting anything new, but rendering the familiar to be processed as if new.)
As far as conversations about those contemplations — I would say that if the people conversing have each already known ecstasy on their own, yes, the exhilaration of connection and the act of recollection can trigger ecstatic feelings or some nostalgic simulacrum. And if they’re talking to someone who hasn’t yet ‘activated their gene,’ the conversation can certainly pique a curiosity that might well result in the neophyte pursuing eventual evolution — but even that is not passing it on directly.
That said, you’re right that conversation can sometimes communicate (in the Latin sense of “share”) an aspect of enlightenment from the initiated to the uninitiated, but when this happens, conversation ceases to be ‘just’ conversation and becomes art. Recall Wordsworth’s definition of poetry: “the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings…from emotion recollected in tranquility.” He wrote that to affirm inspired poetry as “the real language of men in a state of vivid sensation” and vice-versa.
It’s hard for us to understand the concept of poetry — or any kind of art — being defined not by form but by spirit, because we are so used to thinking of art as product, past-time, or ornament, whereas Pound and Wordsworth thought of it as nothing less than the catalyst and the by-product of Enlightenment. To them art is not a ‘thing’ to be perceived, but the perception itself, in which one person’s understanding is transmitted to someone else. So the actual objet d’art, though sacred, is more of a vessel than anything. Interpretation of the sensory stimuli it provides, if done in a meaningful albeit arational, alchemical way, produces “such knowledge [which] cannot be communicated discursively or even understood intellectually: it can be grasped only in a state of actual identity with the Supreme Principle.”
Architect Herbert Bangs wrote that last line, explaining the mystical inspiration behind cathedrals, which were conceived as art more so than practical structures. He goes on to sum up the mystic architects’ concept of art’s usefulness in society, which can too easily be contrasted with our common assumption of its uselessness:
“We are here, incarnate on the earth, to pursue the higher state of consciousness that is our birthright. Therefore… the truly practical is that which moves us closer to [this enlightenment]. It is, then, art that is useful.”
Nicely put, I think, if only a tad off-topic to your question — but it does relate to the (demeaned) purpose of art in human culture. Seemingly all the great literary and mystic geniuses agreed that beyond just being a mundane noun (a painting! a book! a fancy knot!), art’s higher state is as a verb: it is the sudden expansion of epiphany; it is the slow ascent of evolution.
And if I can go further off-topic, I’d say that our contemporary focus on art as a clutter of tangible nouns rather than a conceptual method or a state of consciousness perfectly exemplifies the mental block of our times: we take the real, the mysterious, the infinite, the complex, and reduce them to something symbolic, knowable, objectified, vapid. (Perhaps it is language itself, and the thinking that shapes itself around language, that has forced us to do this — another argument for bypassing conversational analysis.)
The only better example I can think of is what religion routinely does to those mystics’ understanding of god. God — that pure state of the collective being; that ongoing undulation of chaos fucking itself into creation and dying back into chaos — becomes a bearded man wagging his finger at us with one hand and blowing kisses with the other. Because he, and not Universal Mind, is the kind of divinity that could fit into a Newtonian universe made of discrete objects and empty space — but we don’t live in that universe anymore, and, frankly, never did. We know now, even with empirical certainty, that what seems to be a noun is really a verb (i.e., principle matter behaving like various forms), and that object and subject are not just connected, they are (in the original sense of the word) atoned. Our science has finally caught up to our poetry, so it’s time we followed suit.
— But, see how silly all this sounds when I try to explain it rationally?
Once again, my ineloquence proves my point! File this post under #paradox #tricksterarchetype #ouroboros #rambling #funwithetymology